Do Females Dogs Get Territorial?
cml...@gmail.com
territorial issue? Is there a way to change the behavior?
AnimalBehaviorForensicSc...@hushmail.com
cml...@gmail.com wrote:
> Our female dog urinates wherever the male dog has been.
A dog is a dog.
> Is this a territorial issue?
No. It's a DOG issue.
> Is there a way to change the behavior?
You can TRAIN or EXXXTINGUISH ANY behavior
NEARLY INSTANTLY if you know HOWE.
HERE'S HOWE
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bogus.
Janet B
and said:
>Our female dog urinates wherever the male dog has been. Is this a
>territorial issue? Is there a way to change the behavior?
Lucy always pees over Franklin's urine. What's the big deal - why
would you need to change it?
--
Janet B
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com
http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/bestfriendsobedience/album
dallygirl
and she cocks her leg.
also when we are out walking she poos a bit here and abit there and its
like that all the way round until she can only fart :)
im not bothered by her behaviour i actually think shes a twit.
as for do female dogs get territorial yes i would say they do, i have seen
female dogs patrol constantly around a gardens perimeter and go beserk
when ever the front door is approached.
thats a lot different to piddle.
RobDar
in the Hounds.
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A Poor Shepherd Boy And His Dog At His Masters Feet
dallygirl wrote:
>
> all my dogs are female and my shih tzu pees where ever the
> others have been and she cocks her leg.
That's normal.
> also when we are out walking she poos a bit here and abit there
> and its like that all the way round until she can only fart :)
THAT'S a SYMPTOM of EXXXTREME ANXXXIHOWESNSES.
> im not bothered by her behaviour i actually think shes a twit.
Your dog is EXXXTREMELY ANXXXIHOWES on accHOWENT
of you MISHANDLE her.
> as for do female dogs get territorial yes i would say they do,
HOWE does THAT accHOWENT for so called TERRORTORIAL
behavior HOWET OF THEIROWN TERRORTORY, dallygirl?
Dogs ARE NOT "TERRORTORIAL" off of their own pupperty.
> i have seen female dogs patrol constantly around a gardens
> perimeter and go beserk when ever the front door is approached.
INDEEDY. And you DON'T KNOW HOWE to correct it.
> thats a lot different to piddle.
BWEEEEAAHAHAHAHHAAAA!!!
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Punishment Deranges Behavior.
"NO!" Does NOT Have Any Behavioral Function
EXCEPT
To DERANGE Behaviors.
Here's professor dermer pryor:
From: Marshall Dermer (der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu)
Subject: Re: Jerry's Dog Training Manual
Date: 2001-07-12 06:49:13 PST
And how do we know this aspect of his
advice is right?
Jerry is not God and his manual is not the Bible.
His advice could be subject to an empirical analysis.
(Also, it is best to killfile posts from the
few regulars here who are either ill-tempered,
ill-mannered, or just plain ill.),
--Marshall
"At this point, "No" does not have any behavioral function.
But, if you say "No,"pick up the puppy by its neck and
shake it a bit, and the frequency of the biting decreases
then you will have achieved too things.
First, the frequency of unwanted chewing has decreased;
and two, you have established "No" as a conditioned punisher.
How much neck pulling and shaking? Just the
minimum necessary to decrease the unwanted
biting.
**********IS THAT A CONSISTENT 5 SECONDS?************
When our dog was a puppy, "No" came before mild
forms of punishment (I would hold my dog's mouth
closed for a few seconds.) whereas "Bad Dog" came
before stronger punishement (the kind discussed above).
"No" is usually sufficient but sometimes I use "Bad Dog"
to stop a behavior. "Bad Dog" ALWAYS works," marshall
dermer, research professor of ANAL-ytic behaviorISM at
UofWI. For MOORE animal abuse, please visit dr p.
BWAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!!!
That's INSANE. Ain't it.
Here's professor dermer AFTER gettin JERRYIZED:
"We Are Lucky To Have You, And More People Should
Come To Their Senses And Support Your Valuable Work.
God Bless The Puppy Wizard," Professor Marshall Dermer,
Dept Of ANAL-ytic Behavior, UofWI.
From: "Marshall Dermer" <der...@csd.uwm.edu>
To: "The Puppy Wizard"
<ThePuppyWiz...@earthlink.net>
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 2:53 PM
Subject: God Bless The Puppy Wizard
Dear Mr. Puppy Wizard,
I have, of late, come to recognize your genius
and now must applaud your attempts to save
animals from painful training procedures.
You are indeed a hero, a man of exceptional talent,
who tirelessly devotes his days to crafting posts to
alert the world to animal abuse.
We are lucky to have you, and more people should
come to their senses and support your valuable
work.
Have you thought of establishing a nonprofit
charity to fund your important work?
Have you thought about holding a press conference
so others can learn of your highly worthwhile
and significant work?
In closing, my only suggestion is that you
try to keep your messages short for most
readers may refuse to read a long message
even if it is from the wise, heroic Puppy Wizard.
I wish you well in your endeavors.
--Marshall Dermer
Subject: < BEFORE -> "Jerry, You filthy, Unctuous,
No Good Charlatan,"
< AFTER -> "Thank You Jerry For Putting Up With
A Constant Barrage Of Really Infantile
Crap At The Hands Of Supposedly Adult
Dog Lovers.
'Naive' Is Believing You Can Terrorize
A Dog Into Good Behavior," Robert Crim.
>Subject: Re: Fritz---a retrospective
>Date: 02/05/1999
>Author: Robert Crim <fritzg...@earthlink.net>
> You filthy, unctuous, no good charlatan. If you had
> any idea of what dogs and dog people were about
> you would realize the depths of the absolute loathing
> and contempt I hold for you right now. Were it not
> for the blessed distance and anonymity that the internet
> gives us from the scummy likes of you, I would probably
> be in a jail cell right now for turning you into the pile
> of shit you really are
Hey, Howe, you really are a wacko, eh?
Crim wrote this about *YOU,* you insipid piece of cow dung!
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
--
Dogman
mailto:dog...@i1.net
http://www.i1.net/~dogman
=====================
> On Thu, 17 Jun 1999 20:24:15 -0700, dogsnus
<"Terri"@cyberhighway> Wrote:>
> Hey, do like me, and killfile Jerry.
> He has millions of people aleady reading his posts and
> watching him extract his soggy foot out of his mouth!
> Out of these MILLIONS, I've only seen 2 naive childs
> come forward and actually believe in his training manual.
Robert Crim writes:
I assume that I and my wife are those two naive childs
since I freely admit to having read and, I hope,
understood enough of the manual and it's counterparts by
John Fisher and the posts of Marilyn Rammell to believe
and use it.
This naive child would like to say thank you to both
Jerry and Marilyn for putting up with a constant barrage
of really infantile crap at the hands of supposedly
adult dog lovers.
The other naive child (LSW) has to put up with the
nagging idea that if people like them had been posting
earlier, maybe we would not have had to hold the head
of a really magnificent animal in our arms while he was
given the needle and having to hug him and wait until he
gasped his last gasp.
To my mind, "naive" is believing you can terrorize a dog.
Naive is believing that people that hide behind fake
names are more honest than people that use their real
names. Naive is thinking that dilettante dog breeders
and amateur "trainers" like Joey (lyingdogDUMMY, j.h.)
are the equal or better than those that have studied and
lived by their craft for decades.
"Stupid" is believing that people do not see kindergarten
level insults for what they are. Really stupid is believing
that people like Jerry Howe and Marilyn Rammell are
going to just go away because you people act like fools.
Why do you act like fools? I really have no idea, and I
don't really care.
> And, to date: I've not seen ONE come forward and
> actually admit to buying and having success with his
> little black box.
I think I'm going to get one myself for Father's day and
take it down to the Animal Shelter for their use and
testing. You would never believe the results, so you'll
never know.
> Anyone by now that doesn't see a scam man coming by
> Jerry's posts deserves to get what is sure to be coming
> to him! LOL!
I don't see a "scam man", so I guess I and Longsuffering
Wife and Rollei will just have to get what we deserve,
eh? As Joey (Dogman) says, "poor Rollei.".......right.
>Terri
Yes it was, and that is sad.
Robert, Longsuffering Wife and Rollei (do I get to
listen to the box first?)
===========
Crim wrote THAT about *YOU,* tommy,
"you insipid piece of cow dung!"
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
From: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D." <drv...@mindspring.com>
To: "Jerry Howe" <theamazingpuppywiz...@mail.com>
Subject: Alleged Professors of Animal Behavior
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 12:50:51 -0400
Dear Jerry, I paged through some of the "dog business"
and was astonished at the low quality of opinions arising
from professors of behavior analysis.
I had the very great privilege of meeting Sam Corson
(Pavlov's last Ph.D. student) and his dogs at Ohio
University. I even got to spend a night at Sam's house.
There is no question but that you are a spiritual brother
to Corson and to Pavlov, both of whom knew that the dog's
great capacity for love was the key to shaping doggie behavior.
Paradoxical reward and paradoxical fixing of attention are
both well documented Pavlovian techniques. Even so humorless
a chap as B.F. Skinner taught students like the Breland's whose
"The Misbehavior of Organisms" demonstrate the utility of your
methods and their deep roots in scientific (as opposed to
commercial) psychology.
George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R.S.H.
you may find my resume in Who's Who in
Science and Technology
From: "The Puppy Wizard" <ThePuppyWiz...@EarthLink.Net>
Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 17:26:31 GMT
Subject: Dr. George VonHilshimer Writes: "No Loving, No Learning."
HOWEDY People,
Perhaps the PROBLEM is "TOO MANY WORDS?"
From: "The Puppy Wizard" <ThePuppyWiz...@EarthLink.Net>
To: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D." <drv...@mindspring.com>
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 4:40 AM
Subject: Fw: Counter Cruising must stop
> From: "diannes" <dian...@bolt.sonic.net>
> Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior
> Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 12:18 PM
> Subject: Re: Counter Cruising must stop
> > LeeCharlesKelley <kelleymet...@aol.com> wrote:
> > > I wrote:
> > > > LeeCharlesKelley <kelleymet...@aol.com> wrote:
> > > > > On another note: I understand why someone
> > > > > proclaiming a method that works on all dogs,
> > > > > all the time, would send up "red flag" to you
> > > > > and others, but the fact remains, if a technique
> > > > > *doesn't* work 100% of the time, with all dogs,
> > > > > then there must be a flaw in the philosophy
> > > > > underlying that technique.
> > > > Ditto for dog training. No failure nor flaw of method
> > > > is involved - that's just acceptance of reality.
> > > First of all, I didn't say that there was a flaw in the
> > > method, though anyone is welcome to make that
> > > leap.
> > > I said there was a flaw in the underlying philosophy
> > > and its model of learning.
> > Correction accepted. I think that perhaps we are using
> > terminology differently here. Here is my use of the terms:
Jerry, I don't know where you find these folk who can't read.
> In order to use negative reinforcement, one must
> typically administer the aversive stimulus in order
> to be able to terminate it.
This is not negative reinforcement. Negative means no.
Positive reinforcement = behavior emitted by dog,
reward emitted immediately by trainer;
Negative reinforcement = behavior emitted by dog,
no response by trainer;
Aversive reinforcement = behavior emitted by dog,
aversive stimuli emitted immediately by trainer;
The term "reinforcement is used only tentatively with
"aversion" because aversive stimuli (aka punishment)
typically derange learning and are not followed by clean
learning curves equivalent to those which follow reward
or positive reinforcement;
Escape conditioning = dog has an aversive stimulus
applied without any dog related reason and when
behavior is emitted aversive stim is immediately turned off .
There is some indication that Escape Conditioning
works in a manner closely approximating reward;
but, ear pinch? -- too aversive.
I remind you that you should beat them over the head
with "The Misbehavior of Organisms" by Breland and
Breland, published in B.F. Skinner's CUMULATIVE
RECORD. Ignored by most profs of psychology, but
the distillation of his work.
NO PUNISHMENT.
Must pay attention to who is the animal?
His evolution, his development, and his personal history -
cannot train without respect for who is the dog? So says
the BIG TIME operant conditioning guru - and you can also
refer back to MARY COVER JONES (mother of scientific
systematic psychology), no loving, no learning.
I suppose I could wire up a dog so that his brain was
badly interrupted and the loving method of puppy training
might not work well - but it would still work better than
the methods used by dominatrix and their ilk.
Lovingly applied ethological techniques like the one
espoused by the Wizard of ALL puppies work for all
dogs, for that matter for all mammals higher than cat.
Indeed, they will work for cats if trainer is warmly competent.
You can see this in Key West on any sunny day.
Housecats performing quite happily.
Fondly, Dr. Von
From: TooCool (larrym...@hotmail.com)
The Puppy Wizard's Wits End Training Method
I have studied canine behavior and dog training for
years. I have a huge library that covers every system
of training.
The Puppy Wizard's (Jerry Howe's) Wits' End Training
Method is by far the most scientific, the most advanced,
the kindest, the quickest and the most effective training
method yet discovered.
It is not an assortment of training tips and tricks; it is
a logically consistent system. Every behavior problem
and every obedience skill is treated in the same logically
consistent manner.
Please study his manual carefully. Please endeavor to
understand the basis of his system and please follow
his directions exactly. His manual is a masterpiece.
It is dense with theory, with explanation, with detailed
descriptions about why behavior problems occur and
how their solution should be approached.
One should not pick and choose from among his methods
based upon what you personally like or dislike. His is
not a bag of tricks but a complete and integrated system
for not only training a dog but for raising a loving companion.
When I once said to Jerry that his system creates for
you the dog of your dreams, his response was that it
produces for your dog the owner of his dreams.
You see, Jerry has discovered that if you are gentle
with your dog then he will be gentle with you, if you
praise your dog every time he looks at you, then you
will become the center of your dogs world, if you use
Jerry's sound distraction with praise, then it takes
just minutes-sometimes merely seconds-to train your
dog to not misbehave (even in your absence) (Just 15
seconds this morning to train my 10 week old puppy to
lie quietly and let me clip his nails).
Using Jerry's scientific method (sound distraction /
praise / alteration / variation) it takes just minutes to
train you dog to respond to your commands.
What a pleasure it was for me to see my 6 week old
puppy running as fast has his wobbly little legs would
carry him in response to my recall command-and he
comes running every time I call no matter where we are
or what he is doing.
At ten weeks old now, my puppy never strains upon
his leash thanks to Jerry's hot & cold exercises and
his Family Pack Leadership exercises.
Jerry has discovered that if you scold your dog, if you
scream at him, if you intimidate him, if you hurt him,
if you force him then his natural response is to oppose
you.
Is Jerry a nut?
It doesn't make any difference to me whether he is or not.
It is a logical fallacy to judge a person's ideas based
upon their personality. As far as dogs are concerned, Jerry
wears his heart upon his sleeve. It touches him deeply when
he hears of trainers forcing, intimidating, scolding or
hurting dogs.
More than that, he knows that force is not effective
and that it will certainly lead to behavior problems;
sometime problems so severe that people put their
dogs down because of those problems.
I believe that it is natural for humans to want to control
their dog by force. Jerry knows this too. We have all been
at our wits' end, haven't we?
Dogs have a natural tendency to mimic. In scientific
literature it is referred to allelomimetic behavior. Dogs
respond in like kind to force; they respond in like kind
to praise.
Don't bribe your dog with treats; give him what he
wants most-your kind attention. Give him your praise.
You will be astonished at how your dog 's anxiety will
dissipate and how their behavior problems will dissipate
along with their anxiety.
Treat Jerry Howe's (The Puppy Wizard) Wits' End
Training Method as a scientific principle just as you
would the law of gravity and you will have astounding
success.
Dog behavior is just as scientific as is gravity.
If you follow Jerry's puppy rules you will get a sweet
little Magwai; if you don't you will surely get a little
gremlin (anyone see The Gremlins?). --Larry
From: Mike (m.bidd...@ns.sympatico.ca)
Subject: Re: Info. on the puppy wizard?
Date: 2004-07-18 14:27:02 PST
> > Oh, and did I mention his methods work, ya nuff said.
> > Mike
> Ok Mike which part worked for you?
It helped clear problems from my dogs in the
field using the can penny distraction technique.
Works like a charm.
My dogs get distracted easy from their jobs ie,
retrieving or training to find lost people, oh did
I mention that I am a Search and Rescue Team
Leader.
Sorry that slipped my mind.
I have read volumes of training books and don't
know where people get that Jerry copied others
work as I have NEVER come across his methods
before. I would like to see proof.
Just like Jerry outlined I eliminated problems one
at at time as they arose. I used to try and train to
the way I wanted them but this is backward, you
train out the problems leaving what you want left over.
Funny part is the second dog who had the same
problems as the other didn't need correcting for
some of his habits after I cleared it from the first
dog.
Seemed he learned through osmosis.
Nice side benefit there.
It nearly came to giving them up to a 3rd party
trainer as they were not performing well. The
VAST majority of working dog trainers are
agressive in their actions with the dogs.
I tried it and it didn't work and guess what I
was at my "Whits End" then someone I new
turned me onto Jerry and the rest is history.
I referred friends and families to Jerry's manual
and all have had great results. Starting puppies
out on the distraction technique is especially
good because they never develop the habit.
I had my sisters dog healing, sitting and down
stay reliably at 8-9 weeks. The first night home
following Jerrys advice we ditched the crate and
put the pup on the floor beside the bed and after
2 whimpers NOT A SOUND OUT OF THAT DOG
FOR 6 HRS! first night, that has never happened
in all my days.
Sorry, the man understands dogs its that simple.
Mike
"Ama...@DCFWatch.com" wrote:
No, the dog learned that I would hold still
the second she began to pull. She would pull
to go where *she* wanted.
Well if she wanted to stop and go in another
direction.. say to sniff my neighbors yard..
she learned if she wanted to do it I would stop
walking and she could go.. and if there wasn't
enough slack on her lead she would just pull me.
Then when she got done doing *her* thing, she woudl
heel.. smile at me and wait for me to say "let's go"
and finish *my* thing. I would refuse to move .. i
looked like an idiot.. freezing mid walk for minutes
waiting for *my* dog to heel and give *me* permission
to go again.
I did the treats and the let's go... she got to do her
stuff and get a cookie.. if she even wanted the cookie.
I wound up calling Jerry.. as I have a half red nose
pit and half amstaff.. who is incredibly protective..
we had a new pup on the way.. and i needed help.. i
followed petsmarts trainnign guides.. memorized them...
and they *did* work, don't get me wrong.. but only
when my pet wanted a cookie or felt the cookie was
better than what she wanted.. which was not often.
She quickly learned to ignore my commands if she
could see my hands were empty. So I called Jerry...
he chatted me for about an hour and a half.. gave me
his link... and even when i had probs intro'ing the
pup he called me withn i5 mins of my email for help
at 10pm on a sunday night.
One.. singular.. uno family pack exercise after
the hot and cold exercise and i could zig zag
down my street.. about face .. whatever.. and
never had tension.
two men were acrossed the street and she walked right
by them... ordinarily she'd snarl and protect us.
And in two days.. my dog.. who bit the puppy if he
even looked like he was going near my husband or kids..
is nursing him every hour.. cleaning him.. rough housing
gently.. and teaching him to go potty outside..
actually watches him to make sure he doesn't go in
the house... and has milk.. which is awesome since
she's 19 months old and has never had a litter.
She also has stopped barking non stop at our neighbor's
dogs and pig.. does not bark at eveyr car that drives by
and has stopped jumping on people. she's even starting
to ignore our cat who has lived on her dome litter box
and our window sill (literally) for over a year and a half.
She also does her commands on cue.. and doesn't look for a treat.
From: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D." <drv...@mindspring.com>
Subject: The Amazing Jerry's take on psychobabble
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 12:13:44 -0400
You might improve the learning of folk who actually
live with and train dogs to do useful things if you
excluded everyone who uses psychobabble from your lists.
I recommend to all of you who wish to taste the flavor
of sensible animal behaviorists to read THE MISBEHAVIOR
OF ORGANISMS, Breland and Breland.
This married pair of psychologists began the long trail
of highly trained animals who are symbolized by Shamu
eating a mackrel from a girl's hand instead of eating
the much more tasty pretty girl who is exactly the size
of the natural food of killer whales, seals. Yum!
The essay, by the way, is a chapter in B.F. Skinner's
summing up book, CUMULATIVE RECORD. They include a
sentence which more or less says, "unless you understand
the personal history of the particular animal, and the
history of this animal's species and group, the developmental
history of the animal, you cannot effectively train the animal.
Pigs root and hen's scratch, if you try to train hens without
scratching or pigs without scratching or pigeons without pecking,
you aren't going to have much success.
A conditional reflex is one which is learned, the original
primitive reflex occurs no matter what the history of the
animal, and is hard wired. If you train the animal to respond,
say by ringing a bell immediately before turning on a bright
light, then you've taught the animal and made his native reflex
of pupil constriction conditional upon the ringing of a bell.
Thorndyke added some terminology to this kind of training
and insisted that when you train the animal to make gross
motor responses that this learning is "instrumental", the
animal takes action and uses an instrument.
The Russian word translated as "conditional" in all other
contexts was mistranslated by Pavlov's American translator,
Horsley Gannt, as "conditioned" and so American psychology
went haring after phantasmagora.
The major theorists for the development of the language of
operant conditioning are Edward Thorndike, John Watson, and
B. F. Skinner. Their approach to behaviorism played a major
role in the development of American psychology.
They proposed that learning is the result of the application
of consequences; that is, learners begin to connect certain
responses with certain stimuli. This connection causes the
probability of the response to change (i.e., learning occurs.)
Thorndike labeled this type of learning instrumental. Using
consequences, he taught kittens to manipulate a latch (e.g.,
an instrument). Skinner renamed instrumental as "operant"
because in this learning, one is "operating" on, and is
influenced by, the environment. Where classical conditioning
illustrates S-->R learning, operant conditioning is often
viewed as R-->S learning since it is the consequence that
follows the response that influences whether the response
is likely or unlikely to occur again.
It is through operant conditioning that
voluntary responses are learned.
One should note that Russian Psychology did very well
without the operant language, and only pettifogging
university professors ought to worry about what kind
of label we attach to the learning. Pfui!
Even Skinner understood this!
And please note if you saw the original movie, THE
MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE, you saw a Chinese psychologist
who was based on Andrew Salter, CONDITIONED REFLEX
THERAPY.
Alas, Salter didn't have a Ph.D., but he basically rescued
us from the long Freudian nightmare and returned psychotherapy
to a scientific basis. Alas, the 2nd movie didn't even cite
Salter as a source. "...all the highest nervous activity, as
it manifests itself in the conditional reflex, consists of a
continual change of these three fundamental processes --
excitation, inhibition and disinhibition." Ivan P. Pavlov
George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R.S.H.
What's important is, "does Shamu reliably eat
the fish and not the pretty girl?"
George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R.
From: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D." <drv...@mindspring.com
To: <d...@arcane-computing.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 5:38 PM
Subject: Doggy advice
Scott, Jerry Howe forwarded me the letter below.
I'm glad that you referred negatively to Jerry's
habit of CAPITALIZING and HOWEING everything.
I personally hate this habit of his. I think it is his
way of diluting his authority - IME he is a very modest
fellow. However, contrary to your sneer, he is very
competent at living with dogs.
I thought I'd list a series of actions which I found
on the list, folk asking advice on what to do about
dogs doing this and that, for example:
whining,
humping, hunching,
pacing,
self mutilation - paw licking, side sucking,
spinning,
prolonged barking, barking at shadows,
overstimulated barking,
fighting, bullying other dogs,
compulsive digging,
compulsive scratching,
compulsive chewing,
frantic behavior,
chasing light, chasing shadow,
stealing food,
digging in garbage can,
loosing house (toilet) training.
inappropriate fearfulness
aggression.
The thing that is fascinating to me, as an ethologist who
graduated from college 50 years ago and has spent all of
the intervening time working with animals (including the
human animal), is that you never see any of these behaviors
in wild dingoes, jackals, coyotes or wolves, you don't even
see these behaviors in hyenas (who aren't dog related).
You see these behaviors in human managed animals, especially
animals who live with neurotic hysterical humans.
As Sam Corson (Pavlov's last student) demonstrated for
nearly 50 years at Ohio University (Oxford, O.) there
is no treatment more useful for dogs than tender loving
care.
George von Hilsheimer, Ph. D., F. R. S. H., Diplomate,
Academy of Behavioral Medicine
"Linda" <llindaleedan...@msn.com wrote in message
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I have been trying for the last 18 months to help my
dog who became fear aggressive at 18 month of age.
I do not know what started the problem but he came
aggressive first with dogs and then began lunging and
snapping at people. Until this time he loved everyone
and could play with any dog. He was well socialized
ad I took him with me everywhere.
At 13 months he passed the Canine Good Citizens
Test except he could let me leave him. I had used
clicker training to teach him manners and tricks but
it was not working on his aggression problem.
I took him to vets who suggested a low protein diet,
trainers who charged $800 to only make him worse.
They tried to use a prong collar and he froze, urinated
and tried to climb on my head to help him. they then
suggested a shock collar I knew this approach was not
working as he was becoming more aggressive.
I took him to an animal behaviorist with Ph. D. 400 miles
away who told me to "KEEP HIM SAFE" and read a book
on the fearful canine. I tried another trainer who tried to
use a nylon chock collar but it only made him worse.
I read hundreds of books,"CULTURE CLASH", "DOG
ARE FROM NEPTUNE", "THE OTHER END OF THE
LEASH", ETC looking for help. We finally went to Purdue
University Small Animal Behavior Clinic and they said he
had fear aggression, punishment would not work, use the
gentle leader and when out walking and he got stressed
have the people stop until he could get in control using
treats, and work on clicker training.
At that point I knew more about clicker training and using
the gentle leader than they did! Nothing was working--he
would not come when I called him and would run away when
I tried to catch him. I was afraid to walk him even in the
neighborhood as we had become that "mean dog and women who
hasn't trained her dog"
I went to four trainers in both Michigan and Florida who
were trainer/specialists in aggression and the last two
were so afraid of him they could not approach him. No one
said I should give up on him and kill him but they would
say "You have to realize he is dangerous and you are
responsible for him."
*(You got LUCKY, Linda... They coulda got Sunshine
DEAD on us. Damned near did... too.)
As last resort I tried the internet again--I had had on
going discussions with trainers from Triple Crown and Dr
Meister with out any help-and I found the ad to Doggy Do
Right and messaged Jerry to ask if this might help my dog.
He said solving the aggression problem was EZ but I could
not believe him even when I downloaded the manual.
The name of the method was right I was at my Wits End.
I had been working for 18 months!
Using the can sound three time he came, and still comes
from anywhere with the command-"comegoodboy" Next
I tried the can when walking him--when he saw a dog three
blocks away he went off-lunging and snapping-I used the
can sound and he looked at me like uhn?
I used it three more times and we got to the other dog-
-the looked at me wagging his tail--the other person
looked at me like why are shaking that can but just walked
on by.
When ever I try to explain about the sound people look at
me like "you must be out of your mind"
The results can make a believer!!!
Three weeks since beginning the Wits End Training
Manual program I walked him without the gentle leader
in a busy shopping area with many dogs.
He just seemed to not notice any one.
When people talked to him or ask his name he would
look at then and wag his tail and let then pet him.
I still can not believe the change in him--we can now
enjoy life out in public.
If I had not found the Wits End method I know there
was no hope for him and he would have hurt someone
Through all this he never growled at me, guarded his
toys or food or showed any sign of aggression with me.
My goal is to get the message out to all dog lovers that
dogs can be trained fast, easily and problems solved with
out force, pain, food or anything but sound and praise!!!!
I know most people would have given up on him a long time
ago but he was and is my life. Solving the problem was EZ
but only with the right approach-sound and praise.
I know because I tried everything else and nothing worked!!!
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From: Linda Daniel
To: Jerry Howe
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 1:06 AM
Subject: Re: - Re: dog aggression
Thanks for writing--I would be happy to do almost anything
to get your approach out to dog owners as I know it would
save so many lives. I know at times I was so frustrated I
thought of giving up on Sunshine but of course I never would
have but many people would have. The world just does not
know you can train a dog in just a few sessions and actually
solve problems.
We will be here until late April and we really have no plans-
-just to enjoy the warmth and sun of Florida, so any time
you could meet us would be great. I drive so I would be
happy to come to you anytime anywhere!
We went to Celebration today and two little poodles got
right into his face and he just sat there--I GOT a little
scared but he handled it just fine.--a couple of times people
would ask his name and want to pet him and he just went
to them tail wagging and rolled over for them rub his tummy.
He really just is not concerned about people passing, even
those on rollerblades! I have always used a gentle leader
in public but he spent most of time rubbing his face on the
grass--today I used his collar and he was so much happier!!
Only problem is he will stop to smell and I can not get
stopped soon enough to keep the leash loose. He never
pulled ahead of me but when he gets into smelling I have
a hard time getting him going--at times I think he could
smell a blade of grass for 10 minutes.
I can never thank you enough for giving Sunshine back!!!!!
I wrote to Purdue and told them about him being able to
walk in a crowd with out the /gentle leader and not having
a problem with other people and dogs.
I told them their advice did not work. Their advice was
to use the gentle leader at all times and when he was
around people or dogs to have him sit and reward with
treats--one really good suggestions was to have people
coming toward us stop when he got stressed or aroused
and not move until we backed away-
- can you just see me yelling at people to stop on the street
until I get his attention with treats.
They also suggested the possibility of using drugs-prozac-
but thought he was too dangerous as the drug would make
him less fearful and then he might attack or become more
sure of himself and become dominate aggressive. Just had
to share their great advice with you but I am sure you have
heard it all--even I am becoming an expert on bad advice.
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A Poor Shepherd Boy And His Dog At His Masters Feet
case,
unsurrea...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Ignore AnimalBehaviorForensicSciencesResearch -
> anything he says is bogus.
Tell us HOWE to jerk and choke a dog to make it behave?
Subject: Re: Baking liver treats [ninnyboy] [jerry]
HOWEDY pat,
unsurreality_2...@yahoo.com wrote:
> TheAmazingPuppyWiz...@Mail.Com wrote:
> > HOWEDY pat,
> > You're havin a PSYCHOTIC REACTION...
> Actually, I'm not - I'm simply discrediting YOU.
Yeah. THAT'S PSYCHOTIC, pat. There's NO GREY AREA
between RIGHT and WRONG, pat. IT'S ALL BLACKMAN
and WHITE <{) ; ~ ) >
> > unsurreality_2...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > AnimalBehaviorForensicSciencesResearchLaborat...@HushMail.Com wrote:
> > > > HOWEDY gkollman,
> > > > gkoll...@k9baking.com wrote:
> > > > > Not giving "treats" to train?
> > > > Of curse not. The Amazing Puppy Wizard relies ONLY
> > > > on NON PHYSICAL PRAISE IN ADVANCE, NON PHYSICAL
> > > > ALTERNATE BRIEF VARIABLE DISTRACTION AND INSTANT
> > > > PRAISE for 5-15 seconds and CoNDITIONAL REFLEX <{) ; ~ ) >
> > > This idiot still talks in the 3rd person to make him feel all important.
This IDIOT is gonna be MORE EFFECTIE and MORE FAMEHOWES
than J.H. Christ, pat. Stick arHOWEND <{); ~ ) >
> > The Amazing Puppy Wizard only does that to make you bums feel small...
> Well, it's not working -
Well yes, it IS workin, pat. You're theraputically overcoming
your fear shame and guilt just by talkin to The Amazing Puppy
Wizard. You're HEELIN, pat. <{) ; ~ ) >
> it's actually making you look like the imbecile you are.
Well, sometimes you gotta HURT in order to HEEL, pat.
You know THAT from trainin your dog. You gotta jerk
and choke IT to make IT follow you.
> > > > "All animals learn best through play," -- Konrad Lorenz.
> > The Amazing Puppy Wizard AIN'T PLAYIN, dog lovers.
> Yes you are - you have no love for dogs and we all know it.
This AIN'T abHOWET The Amazing Puppy Wizard, pat. This is
abHOWET YOU jerking and choking innocent defenseless dumb
critters and LYIN abHOWET it on accHOWENT of your FEELINS
of SHAME and GUILT, pat. THAT'S HOWE COME The Amazing Puppy
Wizard relies on these seemingly CRUEL methods to get you
to SEE YOURESELF as the LYING DOG ABUSING PUNK THUG COWARD
you ARE, so's you can HEEL, pat.
The Amazing Puppy Wizard IS The World's CRUELLEST Trainer <{); ~ ) >
> > > > Offering bribes teaches dogs greed and usurps the trainer's
> > > > AUTHORITY. Dogs quickly learn to DO "BAD BEHAVIORS" to get
> > > > their handler to offer them a TREAT or TOY as a "DISTRACTION"
> > > > or ALTERNATE INCOMPATIBLE behavior as a REWARD to STOP the
> > > > "BAD" behavior or to coerce behaviors which the dog or child
> > > > would NORMALLY NATURALLY WANT to do UNCONDITIONALLY if ASKED
> > > > and PRAISED IN ADVANCE.
> > > Then this tells us that you have no clue about dog training
> > > and "The Amazing Puppy Wizard" needs to take some classes.
> > The Amazing Puppy Wizard has DISCREDITED all force and bribe
> > training methods.
> Uh...LAUGH...you've discredited ***NOTHING***.
You're a dog abuser a liar and a mental case, pat. You
ready to GET OVER IT or do you want to continue bein a
dog abuser a coward and mental case, pat?
> > > This piece of human garbage has never told me why my
> > > dogs are very well trained USING treats.
Oh? THAT'S on accHOWENT of if they DON'T you'll CHOKE them somemore.
> > "Despite Skinner's clear denunciation of "negative
> > reinforcement" (1958) NEARLY EVERY LEARNING THEORY
> > model involves the USE OF PUNISHMENT. Of curse,
> > Skinner has never to my knowledge, demonstrated HOWE
> > we escape the phenomenon that an expected reward not
> > received is experienced as a punishment and can produce
> > extensive and persistent aggression (Azrin et al, 1966)."
> > "The IMBECILITY of some of the claims for operant
> > technique simply take the breath away. Lovas et al
> > (1966) report a standard contingent reward/punishment
> > procedure developing imitative speech in two severly
> > disturbed non verbal schizophrenic boys. After twenty-
> > six days the boys are reported to have been learning
> > new words with alacrity. HOWEver, when REWARDS were
> > moved to a delayed contingency the behavoir and learning
> > immediately deteriorated.
> > Programs utilizing the "contingencies of reinforcement
> > model" proposed by Skinner (1963) are no more well
> > established in research than the various dynamic therapists.
> > Research in four areas : 1) direct evaluation of programmed
> > systems for learning; 2) reinforcement; 3) cognitive dissonance;
> > and 4) motivation, MOST SURELY DEMOLISH the claims of
> > operant programers."
> > > He simply spits out his own agenda and that's that - DO NOT TRUST HIM.`
> > Are you a PARENT, pat?:
> I have a son.
Oh goody! Is he old enough to read and use the WWW, pat?
He'll be readin abHOWET his daddy pretty soon, eh pat?
> I sure as HELL *hope* you don't have children.
Naaaah, none that have PROVED it, pat.
> If I wrote like you, I'd be devastated if my son read it.
INDEEDY. Not to worry, pat. The Amazing Puppy Wizard will
EXXXPLAIN to him HOWE COME his daddy is a dog and child
abuser. IT AIN'T YOUR FAULT, pat. You was RAISED like that.
> In fact, my 8 year old son has read your shit,
Ahhh! EXXXCELLENT, pat!
> and he asked me point blank "why is this person
> so mean and write so bad, daddy?"
Did you tell him The Amazing Puppy Wizard is ONLY
MEAN to LYING DOG ABUSING MENTAL CASES, pat?
> And I answered him: "because he's mentally ill, Zach."
Ahhh, good reply, pat. Did you SHOWE him THIS?:
You wrote:
>> What's important here is you DID modify the quote.
LIKE THIS:
sinofabitch writes:
> What I have said- repeatedly - is that he took
> posts from two different people,
That's a LIE.
> took pieces of them out of context,
THAT'S A LIE!
> cobbled them together,
NO!!! THAT'S A LIE!!!
> then added his own words:
INDEEDY!
"Neatly," and "Smartly."
> and a fake signature.
"sinofabitch" instead of sionnach.
That's El CORRECTO!
>> That alone PROVES you are a liar.
No. YOU SAYIN *THAT* PROVES YOU'RE INSANE!
BWEEEEEEEEEEEAHAHAHHAHHAAA!!!
AnyWON readin the QUOTE will SEE we got a
lying dog abusing punk thug coward mental case
hurtin dogs and lying abHOWET it KNOWIN it's
in her own POSTED CASE HISTORY and then
we got a DOG ABUSING MENTAL CASE like
you who comes along and LIES FOR the lying
dog abusing MENTAL CASE on accHOWENT
of SHE CAN'T DENY HER OWN LIES!!!
And THAT makes YOU a lynig dog abusing
MENTAL CASE and The Amazing Puppy
Wizard don't got to REPLY to your posts on
accHOWENT of your own POSTED CASE
HISTORY PROVES you're a dog abusing
punk thug coward active long term incurable
MENTAL CASE.
>> No matter HOW simple the modification is.
Yeah...SIMPLE. HOWEver pat, you AIN'T SIMPLE,
you're INSANE. And you're a dog abuser. And
you can't post here abHOWETS nodoGgamened
MOORE.
>> YOU MODIFIED IT.
"AND COBBLED IT TOGETHER"
FROM WON POST. You can read the
whole thread in "Growling Westie" where
sinofabitch TRIES to EXXXPLAIN that
SHE WAS PLAYIN with the dog after
IT had been PULLIN HER ARM HOWET
on ITS PRONGED SPIKED PINCH CHOKE
COLLAR for a half HOWER and WASN'T
CALMING DHOWEN on his FIRST DAY
in her ILLEGAL DOG WALKING BUSINIESS.
>> Therefore, you are totally untrustworthy.
No, THEREFORE YOU'RE TOTALLY INSANE!
sinofabitch trained nessa's dogs to TURN ON
HER, welll, with A LOT of heelp from janet boss.
> The actual quote is misleading when taken
> out of context, and Jerry's faked "quote"
> is downright meaningless.
Here's Jerry's version:
"I Dropped The Leash, Threw My
Right Arm Over The Lab's Shoulder,
Grabbed Her Opposite Foot With My
Left Hand, Rolled Her On Her Side,
Leaned On Her, Smartly Growled Into
Her Throat And Said "GRRRR!" And
Neatly Nipped Her Ear," sinofabitch.
Here's yours;
"I dropped the leash, threw my
right arm over the Lab's shoulder,
grabbed her opposite foot with my
left hand, rolled her on her side,
leaned on her, said "GRRRR!" and
nipped her ear.
--Sara Sionnach
BWAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!!!
That's INSANE. Ain't it.
"When you get bagged for lying you're MARKED
FOR LIFE," The Puppy Wizard's DADDY.
BWEEEEEEAAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!
Sionnach
<cml...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Our female dog urinates wherever the male dog has been.
That's perfectly normal. Many dogs like to mark or overmark where a
packmate has marked. My female JRT habitually overmarks where my lurcher
does.
> Is this a territorial issue?
It depends on whether either of them is marking for territorial reasons,
but IME it's usually more a matter of leaving sign.
> Is there a way to change the behavior?
No, and why would you want to??? It's normal behaviour.
cml...@gmail.com
newsgroup -- is it always troll city? (Translation: Animal Behavior...
& PoorShepard...)
RhodesianRidgebacksRule
<unsurrea...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1132829350.9...@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
> Ignore AnimalBehaviorForensicSciencesResearch - anything he says is
> bogus.
>
who and why etc but I cant agree with your statement that anything he says
is bogus.
Admittedly I haven't tried out his technique- I only printed out his book
last night and am still reading.
I think it is always a good thing to question why we do the things we do and
whether they may not be the most appropriate if not effective methods.
Challenging our thinking is a good thing IMO.
I am new to owning dogs- I'm a cat person at heart. I grew up watching dogs
be punished and forced to obey- they would grovel and be submissive and do
what they did because they wanted a treat or didnt want to be punished.
So I grew to prefer cats- they still have their dignity, their independence
and think for themselves. My cat comes every time I call him but there is a
different look in his eyes than those of my dog- who I believe was very well
disciplined by her previous owner but in a harsh way. She has a pleading
look in her eyes- as though in the back of her mind she still worries that
she might be yelled at or otherwise mistreated if she doesnt come quick
enough or does the wrong thing. I dont revel in how obedient and responsive
she is- it saddens me to see that look in her eyes.
She is a very loving and loyal dog but she is insecure- terrified of
thunder, scared of raised voices, timid around some dogs and still learning
that an outstretched hand doesnt mean its on its way to hit her.
I want my dog to continue to do what she is told but I dont want her to be
motivated by fear and I dont wish to create a food fixation using a reward
system. I give my dog treats now and then, but I only give them to her in
the same context that I treat myself- *just because*. I dont do anything to
earn my chocolate bar, and I dont expect my dog to earn her treat either.
Now I'm not saying thats a good thing- like I said I dont know much about
dog training except that I havent liked anything that I've personally seen
done. If I am doing anything to make my dogs learning harder I would always
like to be told.
I like what I have read of his book so far- it fits with my own ideals I
guess. It remains to be seen whether I am able to effectively implement it,
but for my dogs sake I will try it.
Regards,
RRR
A Poor Shepherd Boy And His Dog At His Masters Feet
cml...@gmail.com wrote:
> Thanks to those who were helpful.
You mean the lying dog abusing punk thug coward mental
cases who told you dogs DO that and can't be trained not to?
> This is my first time in this newsgroup --
WELCOME to The Amazing Puppy Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY
NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Dog
Training Method Manual Forums, cmlogin.
> is it always troll city?
INDEEDY. If you'll READ the POSTED CASE HISTORIES of
the mentally ill lying dog abusing punk thug cowrds who choke
shock bribe crate intimidate surgically mutilate and murder
innocent defenseless dumb critters you'll SEE they're INSANE.
> (Translation: Animal Behavior... & PoorShepard...)
You can TRAIN or EXXXTINGUISH ANY behavior
NEARLY INSTANTLY if you know HOWE.
HERE'S HOWE
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But you DON'T WANT TO BELIEVE THAT on accHOWENT
of the MENTAL CASES tell you IT AIN'T POSSIBLE <{) ; ~ ) >
Well, THAT makes YOU WON OF THEM, don't it, cmlogin <{) ; ~ {) >
From: Momi...@webtv.net (misty
Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002
Subject: Re: Jerry, why non-physical praise?
Beth wrote:
> So, jerry's techniques didnt' work for Peach?
Never had a chance to try them on her... I was still using
the e-fence and chains to keep her in the yard.
The suggestions I received here to keep Peach home were: build a
fence... wasn't going to happen.. we plan on putting a modular home
here
within the next few years... put more fence at the top of the pen I
used
so both dogs could play bitey face w/o tangling, and similar
suggestions.
Jerry was the only one to mention border training... but he was kook
supreme ;-P So I ignored him... no killfiles with webtv.. at that time
Jerry had his own troll, somewhat like Candace, so the group was not
very conducive to learning anything.
At one point I even b*tched about Jerry.
By the time I tried out Jerry's manual Peach had already ran away.
Not very good at the google groups search but you'll find my first post
at "runaway dog message 30" within that thread is mention of the dogs
taking off and being gone for 2 days. I stopped posting for a bit...
my
middle boy was devastated that his dog was gone... Zelda came home but
not her mom.
The next few posts from me were ones about/to Jerry.
Then Jerry made the WETM accessible for webbes, I put it in my
e-mail ( no storage otherwise on webby unless you put stuff on a
webpage)
and read it, read it and read it.
Once I understood what the concept was, I implemented it on Zelda.
It worked and I now have a great housedog!
I only regret that my own distrust of Jerry caused me to lose another
wonderful dog. Peach was an absolute gem with little kids. I and my
boys still miss her. Sometimes I still look to see if she came home
when we get back from trips. Maybe Peach would still have ran away...
I don't know and never will....
~misty
From: "Jerry Howe" jho...@bellsouth.net
Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002
Subject: Re: Jerry, why non-physical praise?
Peach would be there sittin pretty had our pals not given you a bum
steer cause they're EMBARRASSED and AFRAID of losing their
careers and reputations.... Jerry.
Stick around, we're just startin to have FUN learning and sharing...
j;~)
Dog trainin AIN'T LUCK, dog lover.
"Luck is for SUCKERS," The Puppy Wizard's DADDY <{) : ~ {[ >
"misty" <Momi...@webtv.net wrote in message
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I don't now whether Peach is dead or alive. I do know she's
not here with us. I really can't blame anyone here for her
loss.
I'm the one who ignored your advice. I did it because of how
you write/wrote. I was unwilling to accept the idea that my
using a shock collar could have any bearing on Peach not
wanting to stay home. Up until I started using it my main
concern had been keeping my dogs in their own yard.
Once I started using the e-fence... well, then my concern
became how to keep them from running off for days on end.
I lost valuable training time becoming embroiled in the anti-
shock debate and the "Jerry sux" tirades.
I lost one dog but I have the bestest dog in the world now
<g A Wits End Trained dog, one who is completely housetrained,
doesn't chew up stuff, stays in the yard, and doesn't bark all
the time. IOW a great companion and friend.
Thanks Jerry!
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misty" <Momi...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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We just installed a PetSafe brand fence this Spring. Two
dogs, two collars We now have one dog and no collars.
Peach and Zelda would run thru the fence, not want to come
back in the yard and would run for days. The last time,
Peach didn't come back home.
I used the Wit's End Training Manual to learn how to train
my dog. She is now border trained. A few minutes each day
reinforces her desire to stay in the yard. She no longer
runs out into the road, I can stop her from chasing cats and
she no longer cringes when we walk around the yard.
I can not say loud or long enough how much I hate the
e-fence and its collars. If you can't get a regular fence
then you need to train your dog. I will never rely on an
electronic collar to keep my dog in our yard again.
The price was too high:-(
~misty --------------------------------
"misty" <Momi...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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Jerry has taken the time to help me out off the NG. I
have a very loud cockatoo who has been having problems
adjusting to my 8 month old son.
Joey is learning to walk. He likes to use Buddy's cage
as a hold on for dear life object.
Buddy wasn't exposed to toddlers prior to Joey.. my
older two boys went through this stage in a different
house where Buddy had his own room and the boys had
only visits, not daily contact 24/7.
Buddy has always been spooked by "tiny" humans. Joey
has been driving him nuts! He showed his disapproval
by non-stop screaming.
A cockatoo scream can be heard a block away with
all the widows shut <g> being in the house it makes
your ears pop and your nerves crawl.
Jerry sent me Free his DDR. He sent instructions on
how to use it. He answered my questions quite politely.
I have been using the DDR in my kitchen ( where Buddy
is located~ teensy 4 room house) for 3 weeks.
At first I noticed no difference in Buddy's behavior.
Then I realized after a week that he no longer screamed
for hours on end. This isn't to say he stopped completely
<bg> he still demands his share of all meals. But he
doesn't start screaming at 10 pm when he wants _everyone_
to go to bed.
Last week he had a day where he screamed all day. My
nerves were frazzled. I went to turn the DDR up a
notch per Jerry's instructions.
I discovered the DDR was shut off! I turned it back
on and left it on the lowest setting. Buddy calmed
back down and quit screaming.
In the time that I've had the DDR on I've had a lot
of c*ts come to my house. One I adopted and he's
quite the sweetie. He's a yellow tiger named Gatomon
( means c*t monster) who is very friendly with my kids
and Zelda.
I may not like how Jerry treats other posters but I
do like the methods he shares. Being on a limited
budget I like things that are free. I also like the
fact that I can e-mail him and get advice whenever
I need it.
Even my DH who is a technical minded kind of guy
thinks the DDR is working. ( He went to Devry and
has a degree in electronics, knows alot about radios
and anything mechanical... he's a jack of all trades
around the house <g>). He does NDT for a living.
We don't expect to need the DDR forever.. As soon as
Joey is walking, Buddy will realize that he's not a
strange animal.. some kind of furless dog or c*t <bg>.
==============================
--Marshall
BWAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!!!
That's INSANE. Ain't it.
Here's professor dermer AFTER gettin JERRYIZED:
unsurrea...@yahoo.com
he is truly insane, which should be obvious if you read just a few of
his posts.
dallygirl
and so of course i responded furiously and then got a do not feed the
trolls post :( we live and learn :)
The Amazing Puppy Wizard <{) ; - ) >
"Janet B" <ja...@bestfriendsdogobedience.com> wrote in message
news:nodbo1p4fo5a20t7o...@4ax.com...
> On 23 Nov 2005 18:42:45 -0800, cml...@gmail.com, clicked their heels
> and said:
>
>>Our female dog urinates wherever the male dog has been. Is this a
>>territorial issue? Is there a way to change the behavior?
>
> Lucy always pees over Franklin's urine. What's the big deal - why
> would you need to change it?
He could just shock his dog till it stops:
He Was Next To Me And I Could See His Neck Muscles Pulsing. I can't
Imagine Needing Anything Higher Than A 5 Even With An Insensitive Dog
Like A Lab. I Had A Pointer Ignore A Neck-Muscle-Pulsing 9.
HOWEDY People,
Here's HOWE COME HOWER DOG LOVERS CAN'T
POST here abHOWETS nodoGgamenedMOORE:
"J1Boss" <j1b...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040324071828...@mb-m18.aol.com...
> He was next to me and I could see his neck
> muscles pulsing. He didn't even blink an eye.
> Janet Boss
"sionnach" <rhyfe...@msn.com> wrote in message
news:c3qi15$2biuoh$1...@ID-45033.news.uni-berlin.de...
> "J1Boss" <j1b...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:20040323173916...@mb-m17.aol.com...
> > > I can't imagine needing anything higher
> > > than a 5 with it, even with an insensitive
> > > dog like a Lab.
An INSENSITIVE DOG???
> > I can't remember what model of Innotek I have, but
> > I had a pointer ignore a neck-muscle-pulsing 9.
Jerking choking and shockin and lockin dogs
in boxes and ignoring their cries makes their
dogs go "EWWWW" but they don't NOTICE
EXXXCEPT to spray BINACA in their eyes
and jerk and choke them on pronged spiked
pinch choke collars and shock and spray MOORE
aversives in their faces.
Do you think the citronella collar is CRUEL cause
the SMELL LINGERS after the dog's been sprayed
in the face and the dog won't know HOWE COME
IT was MACED?
> > My dogs are not human children wearing
> > fur- they are DOGS.
They're DUMB ANIMALS these MENTALLY ILL
LYING DOG ABUSERS HURT and MURDER.
"I'd call the SHOCK fence effective and safe.
Humane is one of those hot words that people
can debate all day so I won't touch that one.
There are people who would call a regular chain
link fence inhumane," liea altshuller.
"I know this is a hard subject to bring up without starting the
whole cruelty thread again so I'll state my opinion once and
won't defend it further: any method can be cruel for some
dogs.
Even the slightest punishment was wrong for Cubbe at the
beginning, but we've come a long way since then. She trusts
us now as I mentioned in a recent post. Point is, she's been
rewarded for coming, but she's never been punished, even in
the mildest way, for not coming.
Is it time for that?
What might I look for to tell?"
"Julia Altshuler" <jaltshu...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:McYnb.45145$ao4.106231@attbi_s51...
> After talking with the vet yesterday and watching
> Cubbe all day today, I'm convinced that the shaking
> is behavioral, not physical. Naturally I'll continue
> keeping an eye on her, but when I add everything
> up, I don't see symptoms of anything neurological--
> and the vet agrees.
> --Lia
"Things are beginning to get much worse day
by day and the vets seem unable to help.
http://www.oofus.com/pix/PoorRufusMed.WMV
http://www.oofus.com/pix/PoorRufusSmall.WMV"
THAT'S AN OCD. His owner CAUSED IT by
MISHANDLING and ABUSING his dog according
to the BEST advice of HOWER Gang Of Lying
Dog Abusing Punk Thug Cowards And ACTIVE
LONG TERM INCURABLE MENTAL CASES and
ASYLUM ESCAPEES.
BWEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHHHAAAA!!!
From: culprit (culp...@flashmail.com)
Subject: Re: Video clip......."Nero" practicing bark alert,
while walking backwards
Date: 2004-06-05 18:53:50 PST
"micha el" <spam_yurs...@spamyourmamma.com> wrote in message
news:yIydnZpPsIz...@comcast.com...
> Anyway, contrary to your PR, this is what
> it felt like to me when I got shocked by
> Hope's collar.
> It felt like a bomb going off in my
> hand and forearm.
--------------------------------
"Tricia9999" <tricia9...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20021117101433...@mb-cg.aol.com...
> >> how effective are these electronic fences in
> >> keeping a dog on a property????
> Some run through it. Others get shocked and become
> too scared to go out in the yard anymore.
> Just heard of a guy that has to rehome his dog,
> because the dog got caught right in the path of
> the shock and will now not go near his person,
> won't go outside.
> Just hides under a desk in the house.
----------------------------------
http://tinyurl.com/389al
In this video, the dog is constantly jerking his
head all around. I'm not SHORE why he's doing that.
If he's doing it because he is being shocked repeatedly
into getting onto that skateboard, then it is my
opinion that Fred Hassen is a dog abuser in the
extreme. As would anyone be, no matter how much
"experience" they had shocking dogs, nor how
nationally "respected" they are/were.
If, HOWEver, the dog is jerking his head all around
because he is happy and for no other reason, well,
then, never mind. I've just never seen this kind of
behavior from a dog before, so maybe Fred can
explain what would cause a dog to move his head
like that.
Here's a other:
http://tinyurl.com/2v9oh
From: sionnach (rhyfe...@email.msn.com)
Subject: Re: Correct use of prong collar
Date: 2001-05-05 13:03:14 PST
> And Sally responded:
> >Who said that? I would never do or recommend that, and
> >neither would most of the regulars on here.
> >Sally Hennessey
> I've posted my entire quote, since Patch failed to do so.
> Tke it out of context and you'd think I was flinging puppies
> across the room!
> here's what I said (keep in mind that we're talking about a
> 12 week old ~25# FCR puppy):
> A small scruff shake is appropriate if he's
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> very persistant.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Um, may I suggest a re-wording that might make
it clearer-given that "scruff shake" is too easily
misinterpreted as "pick the puppy up by the scruff
of the neck and shake the puppy in the air"?
I think I'd phrase it something like "if the puppy is very
persistant, it can be appropriate to take hold of the loose
skin at the back of the neck and give a slight shake to
the *skin*".
Janet's not talking about actually shaking the puppy,
which I think we ALL agree is abusive.
Aggression, Opposition And Allelomimetic Behavior -
Teaching RESPECT For Your HIGHER INTELLIGENCE -
"BAD DOG ALWAYS WORKS!!!"
Here's professor SCRUFF SHAKE:
Mine will go "bonkers" if he has been exercise deprived.
From: Marshall Dermer (der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu)
Subject: Re: new puppy bitting/chewing hands
Date: 1999/07/05
In article
<976F54CA8C2C77AB.9DF245927D0DAB8B.90BA464FE454E...@lp.airnews.net
> Jason <asl...@removethisline.geocities.com> writes:
:
> I would assume that all puppies like to bite and chew
> on just about anything. How do you train a young
> puppy NOT to chew on hands and feet? Although
> there is a time and place for saying 'no' and giving
> the dog a scruff shake I do no know if this is appropriate
> at this age.
At this point, "No" does not have any behavioral
function. But, if you say "No,"pick up the puppy
by its neck and shake it a bit, and the frequency
of the biting decreases then you will have achieved
too things.
First, the frequency of unwanted chewing has
decreased; and two, you have established "No"
as a conditioned punisher.
How much neck pulling and shaking? Just the
minimum necessary to decrease the unwanted biting.
When our dog was a puppy, "No" came before
mild forms of punishment (I would hold my dog's
mouth closed for a few seconds.) whereas "Bad
Dog" came before stronger punishement (the
kind discussed above).
My dog is about 1.5 years old. "No" is usually
sufficient but sometimes I use "Bad Dog" to
stop a behavior.
"Bad Dog" ALWAYS works.
then, of course, quickly say "Good Dog" when
he is appropriately behaving.
In providing verbal punishment and reinforcement
as in using nonverbal punishement and reinforcement,
timing is very important.
Use these consquences to control behavior much
as in the game where a child is told "your getting hot"
or "your getting cold." If the delay between the behavior
and the consquence is too long then the behavior will
not appropriately change.
--Marshall
From: Marshall Dermer (der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu)
Subject: Re: Update on Puppy Biting
Date: 1999/06/14
In article <37675817.19034...@news3.bga.com>
clayn@NO_JUNKdillonet.com
writes:
:
> My previous thread seems to have deteriorated
> off topic, but I would still like some input on
> biting and aggressive behavior. To recount I
> have a Chow/Lab mix who is now 9 weeks old.
> The biggest problem I had with him is biting.
:
> This could have been when petting him, walking
> by, or when playing. This seems to be his way of
> playing or getting attention, but it can drive me nuts.
> To stop this I've distracted with chew toys,
Distraction can be a BIG mistake! Why? Because if
your manipulation of the chew toy is reinforcing then
you are inadvertently reinforcing your dog for biting if
you follow his biting with activating the chew toy.
The standard way to curtail biting is to either "yelp
loudly," "clamp the dog's mouth shut with your hand,"
or "pick him up by the scruff of his neck" and say "no"
whenever he bites.
All of these are punishment procedures and
to work they must be put into place promptly,
within say .5 sec, after the bite.
Isolating the dog after a bite is another form
of punishment called time-out (from reinforcement
but it is hard to rapidly implement--within .5
sec of a bite.
If one of these procedures does not work, that is,
your dog behaves as if it were a game, then you
are not using an effective punisher/procedure.
> I said NO, and failing that put him in my room
> alone for a few min. When in there he barks
> and whines, but afterwards behaves much better.
> After about a week of this the biting has decreased
> remarkably, but hasn't stopped outright. Still does it
> when he gets into hyper Puppy Jihad mode.
Well, be patient.
You can, of course, use differential reinforcement
of other behavior to eliminate biting. If there is a
situation in which your dog often bites. then create
the situation and if your dog goes without biting for
1 sec. offer a reinforcer (click and treat if you use
a clicker).
Then gradually increase the time that your dog
must go without biting for the reinforcer to be
delivered. Eventually, your dog will not bite and
the other behaviors that you have been reinforcing
will be more frequent.
Another factor to consider is whether your dog
is getting sufficient exercise.
Mine will go "bonkers" if he has been exercise deprived.
Best wishes,
Marshall
=========================
> Date: 1999/07/05
> Marshall Dermer wrote:
>> In article
<976F54CA8C2C77AB.9DF245927D0DAB8B.90BA464FE454E...@lp.airnews.net
> Jason <asl...@removethisline.geocities.com> writes:
>> > I would assume that all puppies like to bite and chew
>> > on just about anything. How do you train a young
>> > puppy NOT to chew on hands and feet? Although
>> > there is a time and place for saying 'no'
SHORE!~ If you want the dog to OPPOSE you.
>> > and giving the dog a scruff shake I do no
>> > know if this is appropriate at this age.
We shove fingers dHOWEN puppy's throats to choke
them HOWETA mHOWETHING from the time they're
in the litter box, ACCORDING TO lying frosty dahl,
sindy SADIST mooreon, lyingdogDUMMY, lying "I
LOVE KOEHLER" lynn, ed w of PET LOSS dot CON,
and company.
Hello doc,
You seem to be real good with all the big words
and stuff, but you are failing dog behavior 101.
The obvious negative consequences of
the abusive advice you have given Jason
is likely to have a major negative impact
on his dog and his family as a result of
your failure to understand what we have
been discussing here.
>> At this point, "No" does not have any behavioral
>> function. But, if you say "No,"pick up the puppy
>> by its neck and shake it a bit, and the frequency
>> of the biting decreases then you will have achieved
>> too things.
This will achieve violating the trust and respect you
need to develop to make your dog NATURALLY
WANTdo anything you ask. The MonkeysofNotso
NewSkeete are a bunch of heavy handed gorillas
when it comes to dog training.
Their methods are barbaric and outdated by current
information. But they do have a nicely edited text with
lots of pretty pictures. They specialize in GSD's, a
breed known to tolerate heavy handed treatment from
their owners.
>> First, the frequency of unwanted chewing has
>> decreased; and two, you have established "No"
>> as a conditioned punisher.
Not necessarily, doc. Allelomimetic behavior dictates
the dog will copy your actions and attitudes.
Remember?
What you are teaching the dog is HOWE you want him
to respond back to you in the future. People who abuse
their dogs as puppies usually face aggressive challenges
when the dog is more mature.
Are you going to have some good suggestions if
the dog decides to do that with one of Jason's kids
WON day?
That's what you'd be responsible for...
That's HOWE COME I'm here.
Seems to me that a dog trainer who needs to resort
to fear, force, intimidation and confrontation is hardly
able to outsmart the cunning of the domestic puppy dog.
Nice work getting your degree, but cause you pay the
price doesn't insure you're able to use your head. You
do seem to be a lazy student, though.
>> How much neck pulling and shaking? Just the
>> minimum necessary to
TEACH GENTLENESS, LOVE, TRUST
and RESPECT, professor?
To DEMONSTRATE SELF DISCIPLINE, professor?
>> decrease the unwanted biting.
Nothin you suggest is acceptable under
ANY circumstances. Violence is not
subjective. We do not quantify HOWE
much abuse we shall administer today.
That is sick and disgusting.
Furthermore, a human being is not a mother dog. We
cannot compete with them on their level effectively. Mom
dogs abuse their puppies just like HOWE they're taught
by their abusive moms and handlers. Puppy bitches
CHALLENGE and FIGHT with mom and sibling bitches.
That's all part of NATURE'S PLAN to prevent inbreeding.
>> When our dog was a puppy, "No" came before
>> mild forms of punishment
And your dog is NHOWE DYING ON YOU
as a RESULT of the constant stress of
varialbly reinforced punishment.
>> (I would hold my dog's mouth closed for a few seconds.)
To teach it to RELAX, TRUST and NOT TO GRAB you...
>> whereas "Bad Dog" came
>From your fear, anger, ignorance, descartean
university trainin and colossal ego, professor.
>> before stronger punishement (the kind discussed above).
The kind of PUNISHMENT that teaches unconditional
love, gentleness trust and RESPECT for your HIGHER
INTELLIGENCE, LEADERSHIP, CARING, and your
measure of self control and confidence, professor?
In the past thirty years of my professional dog training
career, punishment has not ever been used on any of
the dogs I've worked.
Punishment causes misery. Misery causes aversion to
the handler, not the behavior. The dog will not want to
be the best he can for you under punitive situations.
Confrontation, physical force, intimidation cause
STRESS and ANXIETY which are not conducive
to the learning situation. They may result in similar
symptoms to post traumatic stress disorder.
>> My dog is about 1.5 years old. "No" is usually sufficient
>> but sometimes I use "Bad Dog" to stop a behavior. "Bad
>> Dog" ALWAYS works.
Yeah. It's causes Maxie to have OCD'S and LIFE
THREATENING, STRESS INDUCED AUTO-
IMMUNE DIS-EASE aka The Puppy Wizard's
SYNDROME.
>> I then, of course, quickly say "Good Dog"
>> when he is appropriately behaving.
You mean, AFTER THE FACT.
My dogs never do things requiring discipline, they
have obviated those behaviors through the process
of learning, not through the process of being corrected.
People who use force and confrontation on their dogs
are constantly having to address behavior problems
that manifest as a result of the punished behavior being
trainsferred to other substitute behaviors.
That's one of the many subtitles of dog behavior
the good doc needs to learn a little more about.
>> In providing verbal punishment and reinforcement
>> as in using nonverbal punishement and reinforcement,
>> timing is very important.
Timing is everything. There is never any time that
punishment is justifiable. Not ever. It is unnecessary
and creates other behavior problems when it does
not work.
Your risk of causing the dog to turn on its owners
by the age of eighteen months is roughly ten percent.
Those are the dogs that I work with very often. Their
stories are all the same. The people followed the advice
of the Monks or Koehler and used all the group classes
for months to control escalating malbehaviors and pushed
it to the point where the dog is aggressive with the family.
I'm F'n tired of seeing that happen.
That's HOWE COME I'm here.
I'm here to tell you you got another think coming.
You are dead wrong and dogs and people die
unnecessarily as a result of those kinds of handling
methods.
>> Use these consquences to control behavior much
>> as in the game where a child is told "your getting
>> hot" or "your getting cold." If the delay between the
>> behavior and the consquence is too long then the
>> behavior will not appropriately change.
Your getting colder. You've got time, stick around,
maybe some good information will rub off on you.
>> --Marshall
>> I have listed below, in rank order, ( 1 = "The Best")
>> my favorite sources.
That will serve as an INDICTMENT of their INFORMATION.
Is it any wonder that the following sig file has
generated more complaints to my personal
email than any other controversial post I have
made to date, bar none?:
If you have to do things to your dog to train him,
that you would rather not have to do, then you
shouldn't be doing them. If you have a dog trainer
that tells you to jerk your dog around, shock, or
punish him in any manner, that corrections are
appropriate, that the dog won't think of you as the
punisher, or that corrections are not harmful, or
they can't train your dog to do what you want, look
for a trainer that knows Howe.
1. Overall, K. L. (1997). _Clinical behavioral medicine for small
animals._ St.Louis: Mosby
Professor Overall has earned many degrees (MS,
VMD, PhD) and is certified by the Animal Behavior
Society as an Applied Animal Behaviorist.
See "Hole Diggin."
2. Diane Blackman's Fun with Your Dog:
Diane has compiled "tons" of information about dogs.
This work in progress reveals Diane's tremendous love
and respect for dogs.
Master Of Deception blankman is a liar and dog
abuser and active long term incurable MENTAL
CASE. She beats her dog in the face with a
shepherd's crook and jerks and chokes them
on pronged spiked pinch choke collars and shocks
and sprays aversives in their faces.
3. Prof.Mark Plonsky's Fabulous Site:
Mark's site has won numerous awards. It is VERY complete.
Yeah. He's your associate at UofWI. His site endorses
the most viciHOWES methods on the WWW.
4. Frequently Asked Questions
Cindy Tittle Moore has written the "classic" Usenet source for
information about pets.
sindy SADIST mooreon has been banned from two
obedience clubs. Only redeemin quality she's got
is SHE DOESN'T LIE to DEFEND HER ABUSE.
She sez NUTHIN and continues HURTIN dogs
with her PARTNER lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn.
5. Karen Pryor's Web Site:
Discover clicker training and training resources.
Clicker training is apositive approach!
karen pryor KILLED HER KAT cause she couldn't
C/T it not to piss and shit in her stove top. Clicker
training INCREASES ANXIETY and can cause
OCD behavior problems AND seizures, adn FAILS
10% of the time soon as the animal can find access
to FOOD.
Also check out this URL for more on clicker training:
6. Gary Wilkes's Click & Treat Web Site:
Much excellent training information.
Yeah? You was highly impressed with gary's new
development: "DELAYED PUNISHMENT".
<snip BUNK>
> > > Jerome Bigge writes:
> > > I do know that hitting, hurting
> > > your dog will often make the
> > > dog either aggressive or a fear
> > > biter, neither of which we want to do.
And then we got, matty! Follow his discussion!
This is what's called, a liar and dog abuser:
> > And neither does anyone else,
> > Jerome. No matter
> > what Jerry Howe states.
"Just Want To Second Jerry's Method For
Dealing With This I've Suggested It To Quite
A Few Clients Now And It's Worked 'EVERY
TIME The Very First Time' - marilyn, Trainer,
33 Years Experience.
You DO remember KILLFILING MARILYN for her coment above
regarding her success with The Puppy Wizard's Surrogate Toy
Separation Anxiety / Bed Time Calming Technique (STSA/BTCT)?
Perhaps you likeWIZE recall a pediatrician, Dr. Z,
who commented that his bed time calming technique
was quite similar?
> > You're scary Marilyn.
> > Marilyn must be quite a disturbed
> > individual. I feel very sorry for her
> > and her family.
"His Amazing Progress Almost Makes Me Cry.
Your Method Takes Positive Training To The
Next Level And Should Really Be Used By All
Trainers Who Call Themselves Trainers. Thank
You For Helping Me Save His Life," Kay Pierce,
Professional Trainer, 30 Years Experience.
> > BUT, giving you the benefit of the
> > doubt, please provide a quote (an
> > original quote, not from one of Jerry
> > Howe's heavily edited diatribes) that
> > shows a regular poster promoting or
> > using an abusive form of training.
BWWWWEAAAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!
> > --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
"Many People Have Problems Getting The Pinch
Right, Either They Do Not Pinch Enough, Or They
Have A Very Stoic Dog. Some Dogs Will Collapse
Into A Heap. About The Ear Pinch: You Must Keep
The Pressure Up," sindy "don't let the dog SCREAM"
mooreon, author of HOWER FAQ's pages on k9 web.
You think HURTING a HUNTING DOG to
MAKE IT HUNT is NECESSARY???
"Well, Jack Did Hit My Dog. Actually I'd Call It
A Sharp Tap Of The Crook To The Nose. I Know
Jack Wouldn't HaveDone It If He Thought Solo
Couldn't Take It. I Still Crate Him Because
Otherwise I Fear He Might Eat My Cat," melanie.
You think allowing a "FEAR AGGRESSIVE MAN
SHY" dog to be BEATEN by a strange male trainer
is INTELLIGENT BEHAVIOR for a DOG LOVER?
"Warning: Sometimes The Corrections Will Seem
Quite Harsh And Cause You To Cringe. This Is A
Normal Reaction The First Few Times It Happens,
But You'll Get Over It."mike duforth, author:
"Courteous Canine."
You think HURTIN dogs and CRINGING
is COURTEOUS?
"I have heard advice stating that you should pre-load
your dog for Bitter Apple for it to work as efficiently
as possible. What does this mean?"
Means the author is a dog abuser of the worst magnitude.
"When you bring home the Bitter Apple for
the first time, spray one squirt directly into
the dog's mouth and walk away. The dog
won't be too thrilled with this but just ignore
him and continue your normal behavior."
You think HURTING your dog is NORMAL BEHAVIOR?
--Mike Dufort
author of the zero selling book
"Courteous Canines"
You think HOWER pal mikey is playin with a full deck?
Yeah. When I preload my dog's mouth with bitter apple,
suppose I don't get used to being stupid and cruel, mikey?
Then HOWE do I train my dog if I can't HURT it?
"I Dropped The Leash, Threw My Right Arm
Over The Lab's Shoulder, Grabbed Her Opposite
Foot With My Left Hand, Rolled Her On Her Side,
Leaned On Her, Smartly Growled Into Her Throat
And Said "GRRRR!" And Neatly Nipped Her
Ear," sionnach.
Oh, THANKS, sinofabitch...
And from terri willis, Psychoclown wrote:
"Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks" things is
something you twisted out of context,
because you are full of bizarro manure."
"Get A 30"- 40" Stick.You can have a
helper wield the stick, or do it yourself.
Tougher, less tractable dogs may require
you to progress to striking them more
sharply," lying frosty dahl, ethical breeder,
expert trainer.
You think a EXXXPERT trainer got to BEAT
a HUNTIN dog to MAKE IT HUNT?
"Pudge Was So Soft That She Could And
Would Avoid A Simple Swat On The Rump
With A Riding Crop," lying frosty dahl,
discoverer of CANNIBALISM in Labradors.
Perhaps the mom dog didn't want her babies HURT all
their lives like HOWE HOWER dog lovers PREFER to
HURT THEIR DOGS?
"John ran out, grabbed Blackie by the collar, and
gave the dog two or three medium whacks on the
rump with a training stick while holding him partially
off the ground. John then told Blackie to sit, ran back
to the line and cast him back to the dummies."
The Puppy Wizard sez a mom dog eatin her babies
to SAVE THEM from a fate like that, is COMMENDABLE.
We're gonna teach folks THAT AIN'T NORMAL...
terri willis, Psychoclown wrote:
"Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks"
things is something you twisted out of
context, because you are full of bizarro
manure."
Sez on our FAQ'S pages at K9 Web you
should knee the dog in the chest, step on
its toes, throw him down by his ears and
climb all over it like a raped ape growling
into his throat and bite IT on his ears, or
leash pop it on a pronged spiked pinch
choke collar or pop him in the snout with
the heel of your palm.
"BethF" <d...@alaska.com> wrote in message
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> "Frank" <flmarc...@netscape.net> wrote in message
> news:d2f1624e.02061...@posting.google.com...
> > dfrntdr...@aol.comMURK-OFF (Leah) wrote in message
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> > > >"brianev" bria...@attbi.com wrote:
> > > > I ENJOYED reading your book, and
> > > > AGREED with what you had to say.
> > > > I find it sick to hear what people
> > > > do with their dogs.
> > > Keep in mind that everything he says that
> > > the regular posters of this ng do to their
> > > dogs are lies.
> > > All of it. Every last bit.
> > All of it?
> > Ear pinching?
> > Shock collars?
> > Spiked chokers?
> > The regulars lie more in their denials than
> > Howe does in his accusing of them.
:
> Uh, Frank? Who do you see denying anything?
> Its quite interesting that a newbie like yourself
> would see denials when everyone has Jerry
> killfiled and therefore don't even read his posts,
> let alone respond to them.
"Rocky" <2...@rocky-dog.com> wrote in message
news:Xns92FEEC097E4AAau...@130.133.1.4...
> Linda wrote in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
> > When you compare using sound and
> > praise to solve a problem with using
> > shock collars, hanging, and punishment
> > how can you criticize the use of sound?
> There's nothing more to be said, then.
> You've made up your mind.
> But you've impressed me by mentioning
> that you're a professor with 30 years of
> experience.
> So, can you cite some examples of
> people recommending "shock collars,
> hanging, and punishment"?
BWWWAWHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!
> --
> --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
You think matty's playin with a full
goddamned deck?
matty's NOT a liar and dog abuser.
Isn't that true, Marilyn?
Of course not, but THIS IS:
"Chin CHUCK absolutely doesn't mean slap,"
professora gingold.
"Marshall Dermer" <der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> wrote in message
news:a3h5qn$mra$1...@uwm.edu...
> >Di,
> I don't believe you mentioned a particular
> kind of training. If you are interested in
> training retrieval behavior than do
> consider our own Amy Dahl's:
> The 10-Minute Retriever : How to Make a
> Well-Mannered, Obedient and
> Enthusiastic Gun Dog in 10 Minutes a
> Day by John I. Dahl, Amy Dahl
You failed to mention your pals the dahls are
proven liars and dog abusers, professor "SCRUFF SHAKE:"
"I Would Never Advise Anyone To Slap A
Dog I Do Not Believe There Is A Single
Circumstance Ever, Where Slapping A
Dog Is Anything But Destructive,"
LUCKY thing CHIN CHUCK absolutely don't
mean slap the goddamned dog, we'd look like
a conspiracy of LIARS and DOG abusers if
CHIN CHUCK DID mean SLAP the dog.
"I don't see why anyone would want to choke or
beat a dog, or how any trainer could possibly get
a good working dog by making them unhapper,
fearful, cowering, etc." sez amy lying frosty dahl.
DOES THAT SOUND LIKE THE TRUTH?
> just $17.95 at Amazon.com.
> (Also, it is best to killfile posts from the
> few regulars here who are either ill-
> tempered, ill-mannered, or just plain ill.)
> --Marshall
Or HOWE about HOWER just plain CRUEL
STUPID and ABUSIVE DOG ABUSERS,
professor SCRUFF SHAKE?
amy lying frosty dahl continues:
"On the other extreme, the really hard dogs
we have trained require much more
frequent and heavy application of pressure
(PAIN j.h.) to get the job done,
This is continued resistance to your
increasing authority, and the job is
not done until it is overcome
Get A 30"- 40" Stick.You can have a helper
wield the stick, or do it yourself. Tougher,
less tractable dogs may require you to
progress to striking them more sharply"
BUT NOBODY DOES THAT HERE...
"Try pinching the ear between the metal
casing and the collar, even the buckle on
the collar. Persist! Eventually, the dog will
give in but will squeal, thrash around, and
direct their efforts to escaping the ear pinch"
OR ATTACKING HIS ABUSER.
"You can press the dog's ear with a
shotshell instead of your thumb even
get a studded collar and pinch the ear
against that Make the dog's need to stop
the pinching so urgent that resisting your
will fades in importance.
CHUCK IT Under ITS Chin With That Ever
Ready Right Hand, As it catches on, try
using the stick and no ear pinch.
When the dog is digging out to beat the
stick and seems totally reliable without
any ear pinch, you are finished
This is continued resistance to your
increasing authority, and the job is
not done until it is overcome"
If the dog drops it, chuck it solidly
under the chin, say "No! Hold!"
(stay on the ear until it does) (perhaps
because the ear is getting tender, or the
dog has decided it isn't worth it)" lying
frosty dahl.
"Chin cuff absolutely does not mean slap,"
professora gingold.
From: Marshall Dermer (der...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu)
In article <38CC0C43.94E2D...@earthlink.net>
rhurw...@earthlink.net writes:
>> -snip headers etc.
>> Yes. you're right, I really should find
>> the book.. they don't have these books
>> in the local pet stores I frequent, where
>> do you find Koehler?
> I got a nice large print copy from
> Amazon.com
>Richard
Please try Powell's Books in Portland
Oregon. Their URL is:
Unlike Amazon.com, Powell's keeps both
new and used books on its shelves. You
can order books via e-email.
Koehler Method Of Dog
Training by Koehler, W R
Published by HOWELL BOOK
HOUSE (0876056575,
=======================================
Here's some quotes and some methods right
outta your koehler book professor "SCRUFF
SHAKE and scream "NO!" into its face for 5
seconds:"
"The Koehler Method of Dog Training (1962). New York:
Howell Book Book House(p. 52-53)."
Hanging
"First, the trainer makes certain that the collar
and leash are more than adequate for any jerk
or strain that the dog's most frantic actions could
cause. Then he starts to work the dog deliberately
and fairly to the point where the dog makes his grab.
Before the teeth have reached their target,
the dog, weight permitting, is jerked from
the ground.
As in coping with some of the afore-mentioned
problems the dog is suspended in mid-air.
However, to let the biting dog recover
his footing while he still had the strength
to renew the attack would be cruelty.
The only justifiable course is to hold him
suspended until he has neither the strength
nor inclination to renew the fight.
When finally it is obvious that he is
physically incapable of expressing his
resentment and is lowered to the ground,
he will probably stagger loop-legged for a
few steps, vomit once or twice, and roll
over on his side.
The sight of a dog lying, thick-tongued,
on his side, is not pleasant, but do not
let it alarm you
THE REAL "HOOD"
"If your dog is a real "hood" who would
regard the foregoing types of protest as
"kid stuff" and would express his
resentment of your efforts by biting,
your problem is difficult -- and pressing.
"Professional trainers often get these
extreme problems. Nearly always the
"protest biter" is the handiwork of a
person who, by avoiding situations that
the dog might resent, has nurtured the
seeds of rebellion and then cultivated
the resultant growth with under correction.
When these people reap their inevitable
and oftentimes painful harvest, they are
ready to avail themselves of "the cruel
trainer" whose advice they may have
once rejected because it was incompatible
with the sugary droolings of mealy-
mouthed columnists, breed-ring biddies,
and dog psychologists who, by the
broken skins and broken hearts their
misinformation causes, can be proven guilty
of the greatest act of cruelty to animals
since the dawn of time.
"With more genuine compassion for the
biting dog than would ever be demonstrated
by those who are "too kind" to make a
correction and certainly with more disregard
for his safety, the professional trainer
morally feels obligated to perform a "major
operation."
"Since we are presently concerned with
the dog that bites in resentment of the
demands of training, we will set our
example in that situation. (In a later
chapter we will deal with the with the
much easier problem of the dog that
bites someone other than his master."
Are we havin FUN yet?
Got a lite, professor SCRUFF SHAKE?
From: Paul B (NOSPAMpand...@zfree.co.nz)
Subject: Re: Get off the bed... please?
Date: 2001-07-03 03:05:59 PST
A bit of respect works wonders, the same rule applies to
every aspect of the relationship with your dog.
Paul.
--------------------------
The Puppy Wizard sez "A dog is a dog as a child
is a child. They only respond in PREDICTABLE
NORMAL NATURAL INNATE INSTINCTIVE
REFLEXIVE ways to situations and circumstances
of their environment which we create for them.
ALL BEHAVIOR PROBLEMS ARE CAUSED BY
MISHANDLING. Damn The Descartean War of
"Nature Vs Nurture." We Teach By HOWER Words
And Actions And GET BACK What We TAUGHT.
In The Problem Animal Behavior BUSINESS
FAILURE MEANS DEATH. SAME SAME SAME
SAME, For The Problem Child Behavior BUSINESS.
"Ted Rumple" <rumplem...@kalbar.net> wrote in message
news:30aa784b.03092...@posting.google.com...
> Jerry, I am forever in your debt. The system you have
> created for training dogs is absolutely amazing!
> I can't wait until the new version is available for human
> children!
> Thank you for your service to humanity!
ANAL-yize THIS, professor SCRUFF SHAKE:
Here's professor of ANAL-ytic behaviorISM research
at UofWI marshall "SCRUFF SHAKE and SCREAM
"NO!" into ITS face for five seconds and lock IT in a
box for ten minutes contemplation" dermer:
"At this point, "No" does not have any behavioral function.
But, if you say "No,"pick up the puppy by its neck and
shake it a bit, and the frequency of the biting decreases
then you will have achieved too things.
First, the frequency of unwanted chewing has decreased;
and two, you have established "No" as a conditioned punisher.
How much neck pulling and shaking? Just the
minimum necessary to decrease the unwanted
biting.
******IS THAT A CONSISTENT 5 SECONDS?*******
When our dog was a puppy, "No" came before mild
forms of punishment (I would hold my dog's mouth
closed for a few seconds.) whereas "Bad Dog" came
before stronger punishement (the kind discussed above).
"No" is usually sufficient but sometimes I use "Bad Dog"
to stop a behavior. "Bad Dog" ALWAYS works."
THAT'S INSANE. AIN'T IT, professor dermer.
That's HOWE COME your dog has OCD behaviors
and is deathly ill from The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME.
The Amazing Puppy Wizard. <{}TPW ; ~ } >
P.S. Contacting Dr. P:
Please note that due to the large number of
requests I receive, I can no longer give free,
personal advice on problems related to dog
training and behavior.
In order for me to give such advice we would
have to "talk" about the problem at length.
That is, I would need detailed information about
the dog, it's environment and routine, the problem,
and the situation in which the problem occurs.
Thus, this type of consultation takes time which
I cannot afford to give away for free.
If you wish such advice, please see the information
I have provided about my K9 Behavioral Consulting
practice. Another alternative to obtaining personal
advice is to participate in e-mail, chat room, &
newsgroup discussions.
P.P.S. BWEEEEEEEAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAA!!!
YOU'RE FRAUDS, drs p. and dermer!
Either DEFEND your LIES, ABUSE And
Degrees or get the heel HOWETA THIS
BUSINESS.
"If you talk with the animals, they will talk with you
and you will know each other.
If you do not talk to them, you will not know them,
and what you do not know you will fear.
What one fears, one destroys."
Chief Dan George
"(Also, it is best to killfile posts from the
few regulars here who are either ill-
tempered, ill-mannered, or just plain ill.),"
--Marshall
----- Original Message -----
> From: "Marshall Dermer" <der...@csd.uwm.edu>
> To: "The Puppy Wizard"
> <ThePuppyWiz...@earthlink.net> Sent: Friday, July
> 23, 2004 2:53 PM Subject: God Bless The Puppy Wizard
> Dear Mr. Puppy Wizard,
> I have, of late, come to recognize your genius
> and now must applaud your attempts to save
> animals from painful training procedures.
> You are indeed a hero, a man of exceptional talent,
> who tirelessly devotes his days to crafting posts to
> alert the world to animal abuse.
> We are lucky to have you, and more people should
> come to their senses and support your valuable
> work.
> Have you thought of establishing a nonprofit
> charity to fund your important work?
> Have you thought about holding a press conference
> so others can learn of your highly worthwhile
> and significant work?
> In closing, my only suggestion is that you
> try to keep your messages short for most
> readers may refuse to read a long message
> even if it is from the wise, heroic Puppy Wizard.
> I wish you well in your endeavors.
> --Marshall Dermer
> Marshall Dermer/Associate Professor/Behavior
> Analysis Specialty/Department of Psychology/
> University of Wisconsin- -Milwaukee/ Milwaukee,
> WI 53201
> der...@uwm.edu http://www.uwm.edu/~dermer
> --------------------------------------
"If you've got them by the balls their hearts
and minds will follow,"
John Wayne.
The Amazing Puppy Wizard. <{}TPW ; ~ } >
The Amazing Puppy Wizard <{) ; - ) >
sinofabitch writes:
> >> What I have said- repeatedly - is that he took
> >> posts from two different people, took pieces of
> >> them out of context, cobbled them together, then
> >> added his own words:
"Neatly," and "Smartly."
> >>and a fake signature.
"sinofabitch" instead of sionnach.
> >> Which is exactly what he did.
> >> The actual quote is misleading
> >> when taken out of context, and Jerry's
> >> faked "quote" is downright meaningless.
> > Here's Jerry's version
> > "I Dropped The Leash, Threw My
> > Right Arm Over The Lab's Shoulder,
> > Grabbed Her Opposite Foot With My
> > Left Hand, Rolled Her On Her Side,
> > Leaned On Her, Smartly Growled Into
> > Her Throat And Said "GRRRR!" And
> > Neatly Nipped Her Ear," sinofabitch.
> > Here's yours;
> > "I dropped the leash, threw my
> > right arm over the Lab's shoulder,
> > grabbed her opposite foot with my
> > left hand, rolled her on her side,
> > leaned on her, said "GRRRR!" and
> > nipped her ear.
> > --Sara Sionnach
BWAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!!!
That's INSANE. Ain't it.
"When you get bagged for lying you're MARKED
FOR LIFE," The Puppy Wizard's DADDY.
BWEEEEEEAAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!
"Sionnach" <rhyf...@msn.com> wrote in message
news:3uq1r9F...@individual.net...
The Amazing Puppy Wizard <{) ; - ) >
"RobDar" <whats-i...@goaway.com> wrote in message
news:VDnhf.657$iu2...@fe14.lga...
> Females can exhibit marking behaviors as readily as males. We see it often
> in the Hounds.
You see LOTS of temperament and behavior problems
in your abused dogs, don't you:
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HOWEDY robdar,
RobDar wrote:
> Let me open by saying I am not inexperienced with dogs...
INDEEDY. IN FACT, you're a PROFESSIONAL DOG ABUSER:
Northwest Indiana Beagle Rescue (Roberta & Darin Lee)
The only requirement is that the dog has to used to
being kept in outdoor kennels without howling like
a fool at every leaf that blows or voice it hears.
Contact Darin Lee
RobDar's HoundSong Rescue
rob...@houndsong.com
From: "RobDar" <rob...@houndsong.com>
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 09:57:08 -0600
Subject: Re: Great Place for Electronic Dog Training Collars
yep...some people hate the collars....and some Beagles NEED a collar!
> especially hounds.
Well then, you probably got no need for us or your "behaviorialist":
From: "RobDar" <whats-it-to-...@goaway.com>
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 11:40:58 -0600
Subject: Re: A new dog in the family
Hmmm...
I am a believer that so long as the dogs are not making efforts to harm
each
other that they will work things out on their own. I believe dogs will
naturally develope a more functional and beneficial relationship when
they
are allowed to do so on their own. Though this is somewhat predicated
on the
fact that I know a wee bit about certian behaviors/ pack behaviors/ and
know
what warning signs to look for...and anything I am not sure of, We have
a
behavioralist just a phone call away.
I guess my advice is...the more you can learn about your dogs behavior
the
better of you and your dogs will be...but you knew that already.
> I have yet to meet a Beagle or a Coonhound I could not get to be a
> pleasant and manageable housepet (except for the dog were are about to
> discuss that is).
BWEEEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHHAAAA!!!
What's your "behavioralist" got to say, robdar???
> We have trained and managed every manner of issue
You jerk choke and shock innocent defenseless dumb critters.
> from the badly abused,
You're the abuser, robdar.
> feral dogs, skittish dogs, hunting dogs
A DOG IS A DOG, robdar.
> whom have never spent a day of their life in the house... even a PKC Field
> and Bench Champoin English Coonhound, who was a particularly interesting
> challenge...and then there is Tilly.
Sam Corson, Pavlov's Last Student Demonstrated
At UofOH Oxford, That Rehabilitation Of Hyperactive
Dogs Can Easily And Readily Be Done Using TLC.
Tender Loving Care Is At The Root Of The Scientific
Management Of Doggys. <{) ; ~ ) >
> A short history:
THAT'S IRRELEVENT you dog abusing punk thug coward.
> 1. Tilly is an English/ Walker Coonhound mix. 2. Tilly was always a house
> pet. 3. She was turned into the shelter, with her brother with whom she
> was raised from a pup. The relinguishing family cited allergies, though
> further contact with them at a later date shown that it was Rusty, her
> brother, was showing signs of agression with the children...and he and
> Tilly would fight regularly.
BWEEEEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHAHHAAAA!!!
Opposite sex aggression is the MOST UNNATURAL thing in the
WHOWEL WILD WORLD for a dog to do, after HOWEsbreakin problems.
> Coincedentaly, Rusty has shown absolutley no signs of aggression in his
> new home. In fact he is submissive
Naaah? DO TELL???
> and very well behaved. Very well behaved is how Tilly's previous family
> described Tilly...they said Rusty has ALWAYS been the problem child.
FIGGER IT HOWET, dog abuser.
> 4. We had Tilly here for just about a year.
BWEEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHHAAA!!!
> 5. When our own attempts to manage her proved to be only mildly effective,
IOW, you COULDN'T TRAIN her.
> we took her to a formal obedience class.
Where you jerked and choked IT somemore.
> 6. Her adoptive family has since used "Bark Busters" in home obedience
> training.
BWEEEEEAAHAHAHAHHAHAAA!!! grant teeboon of the RAAF
was gonna get hisself a "bark buster's" franchise.
> They to are experienced dog owners.
IOW they KNOW HOWE to HURT and INTIMDIATE their dogs.
> 7. She has been to the vet and had every physical cause for her irratic
> behavior we could think of looked into.
THAT'S INSANE.
> The issues:
THAT'S IRRELEVENT.
> The biggest problem is that there is not one particular behavior
> that Tilly is guilty of. The best way to describe her is like a water
> balloon...when you squeeze the balloon it bulges somewhere...push that
> bulge in, and it will bulge somewhere else.
NAAAAAH???:
From: Paul Bousie
To: The Puppy Wizard
Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 8:00 AM
Subject: Geday.
Hey J,
I see nothings changed on the NG. Still the same
old crappy advice and misunderstanding of the
only advice worth reading.
The problem with your method J is that I can't
answer the questions on the NG no more, people
are after a quick fix, they don't want to understand
that dog training requires a disiplined method, I'm
now really understanding that they are all result
orientated, they want the dog to sit, to down, to
stay, to come, to stop it's "bad" behaviours, they
want to stamp out each anxiety one at a time not
realising they create a new one as they deal with
the last.
I feel sorry for them, they don't understand, they
don't even realise the errors of thier ways and
they arn't self thinkers, they follow the majority,
after all if everyone says thats the way then it
must be. I've finally realised people don't want
to learn to train dogs they want a trained dog,
they want a little puppet that sits and stays and
downs and does all the nice doggy stuff or so
they think, then when the dog acts like a dog
they come squealing to the NG asking how to
stop the dog being a dog.
I have a nice little visulisation of a dogs mind
that I think demonstrates the way we approach
dog training. Imagine lots of little circles all in a
cluster, each one representing a dog anxiety or
behaviour ( desied or not), each circle represents
something about the dog, all of them create what
a dog is.
The traditional way to train a dog is to stamp out
the "bad" circles, try to eliminate as many as you
can, problem is each one you stamp out another
takes it's place (anxiety circles can't be destroyed
they just change), obviously it's a futile exercise,
but thats the traditional way.
Now imagine a big circle that completely surrounds
all the small circles, this big circle is the whole dog,
that's what we get hold of with all the little circles
inside, we don't see the little circles we see the BIG
circle the macro as you put it and use that to train.
I laugh now when I see posts critisising you, they
are critising something they don't even understand
or even have the capacity to understand.
See ya,
Paul
=====================
> Tilly is insanely intense.
You mean she's HYPERACTIVE from ABUSE.
> I do not mean intense as in difficult to deal with...I mean the "throw all
> caution to the wind, does not care what she breaks, who she hurts, or even
> if she hurts herself"...kind of intense.
You mean she's HYPERACTIVE and HOWETA CON-TROLL.
> First it was the barking. She would bark wildly for now apparent reason.
> We managed to get the barking under control,
That so? You SHOCK your dogs to "get their barking under CON-TROLL."
> and she traded us for digging and running about like a wild woman.
NAAAAH?
> Get that manageable and she is then hyper sensitive to any movement what
> so ever.
You mean your jerking choking and shocking made her PARANOID.
> A leaf blows by and she will absolutely loose her mind...barking,
THAT'S FEAR, robdar.
> pouncing at the window...
Oh, well then, all you gotta do is TRAIN her not to jump at the
windows.
> and she will go on and on and on.
On accHOWENT of your'e a dog abusing mental case, robdar.
> It is very difficult to describe and give a good feel for the behavior,
> but it is as though she is not even aware of the world around her.
You mean she doesn't FEAR you HURTIN her somemore.
> Like she has entered some kind of physcosis
PRECISELY.
> and has lost all grasp...
ON ACCHOWENT OF YOU'VE ABUSED HER.
> the hardest thing is that the longer she goes on the more upset she
> gets...
NAAAAAH???
> as though she herself knows there is something not right.
DUH-OH?
> It is actually upsetting to watch.
NAAAAAH?
> ...then all of the sudden...the problems will go away for a time and she
> will behave well for days. For no apparent reason, she will just be
> sleeping and bounce up and the behavior starts again for a time.
You've driven the dog INSANE.
> The returning behavior may be the barking...maybe the digging...you never
> know...
You mean YOU never know, robdar. The Amazing Puppy
Wizard KNOWS quite well HOWE COME your dogs is INSANE.
> and you have to start all over again.
THAT'S HOWE COME SHE'S INSANE.
> The Family who adopted her (whom we were VERY open and honest with
> about her behavior...even told them we thought they were nuts! lol!) is
> not ready to give up,
You mean they AIN'T READY TO MURDER HER.
> but are stressed and cannot trust her around the children...since they
> never know when she may go off and accidentally hurt a kid during one of
> her "fits".
DOGS DON'T HAVE "FITS" UNLESS THEY'RE ABUSED.
> What we have tried: 1. As I mentioned, obedience work
You mean you jerked and choked and shocked her.
> 2. adjusting her exercise both in amount and activity
THAT'S INSANE.
> 2a. this includes giving her jobs...everything from fetching the
> paper/ to "monkey in the middle" ball games.
BWEEEEEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHHAHAAA!!!
> 3. diet changes
BWEEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHHAHAHAAA!!!
> 4. removing stimuli
You mean AVOIDING EVERY THING.
> 5. behavioral modification training: both in reward for good and
> admonishment for bad behavior styles.
You mean you was INCONSISTENT.
> 6. holistic additives supposed to calm and mellow her.
BWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHHAHAAA!!!
> anyone with any ideas?
ASK YOUR BEHAVIORALIST.
Oh, and while your at it, give him his own FREE COPY
of The Amazing Puppy Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY
INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training
Method Manual:
Sionnach
<cml...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1133020905....@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
> Thanks to those who were helpful. This is my first time in this
> newsgroup -- is it always troll city? (Translation: Animal >Behavior...
> & PoorShepard...)
It's not troll city, although we do get the occasional troll-type post. We
do, however, have a resident mentally ill person - literally mentally ill -
who has an obsession with the groups, and posts constantly under various
names, including the two you mention.
If you use a real newreader instead of Google, and killfile him in his
various incarnations, you'll see the group volume drop by 50% or more.
If you have a Windows computer, you already have a decent program
installed which will read USENET newgroups in their real and proper form,
namely Outlook Express. Your ISP may provide you with a newsgroup server, or
you can use news.individual.net, which costs $20 a year and has excellent
service.
Paul B
unsurrea...@yahoo.com
A Poor Shepherd Boy And His Dog At His Masters Feet wrote:
> HOWEDY pat you miserable lying dog abusing punk thug coward mental
> case,
HELLO AssHowe you completely insane retarded coward who can't even
answer some simple questions because you are a pathological liar
jackass and a wannabe dog trainer and wannabe internet punk thug!
>
> unsurrea...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > Ignore AnimalBehaviorForensicSciencesResearch -
> > anything he says is bogus.
>
> Tell us HOWE to jerk and choke a dog to make it behave?
As soon as you answer my questions - I'm sure you've seen them. When
you do, I'll tell you, since you know nothing about dog training but
instead stole the material from someone else. HOW about that?
unsurrea...@yahoo.com
I encourage everyone - including you - to killfile me - I'm here to
beat down Howe after he humiliated me years ago and lied to me.
showd...@yahoo.com
way DO NOT GO TO THE PLACE WHERE it say's about us. It is goofy.
Heeeehaweee*******Mummy saiod so what if she did she lies and is a
goner.